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Post by iBishyT on May 12, 2010 11:12:08 GMT 10
You know something? I would happily punch Nick Clegg's face in to a f*cking bloody pulp. That f*cking sell-out, taking-it-in-the-ass-from-the-right-wing's-grotesque-c*ck wanker has sold my goddamn vote to the Tories, and I take it as a personal offence. Either they sell your vote to the Tories, sell it to Labour, or do nothing and we stand about with a hung parliament where no-one can agree on anything. Take your pick. |
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Post by Adramelech on May 12, 2010 18:36:16 GMT 10
Well, we seem to have our new PM. I have a feeling that soon enough, not many will talk about this, unless they want someone to blame when things in society go wrong.
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Post by Matt_TY on May 12, 2010 23:22:40 GMT 10
This can't end well.
On the one hand, if the Con/LibDem alliance does work out, it will discredit the LibDems as a credible force for the centre-left.
On the other, if it phails utterly, Labour will probably get back in power by itself and you're back to a two-party state with no real credible third-party alternative for some time.
As much as I'd rather Labour than the Tories (honestly, I think I'd prefer just about anyone who isn't the BNP to the Tories), our friend Mr. Clegg ain't doing his party no favours.
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Post by stupid hos is my enemy on May 12, 2010 23:54:55 GMT 10
You know something? I would happily punch Nick Clegg's face in to a f*cking bloody pulp. That f*cking sell-out, taking-it-in-the-ass-from-the-right-wing's-grotesque-c*ck wanker has sold my goddamn vote to the Tories, and I take it as a personal offence. Either they sell your vote to the Tories, sell it to Labour, or do nothing and we stand about with a hung parliament where no-one can agree on anything. Take your pick. Sell it to Labour, keep the Tories out, I would have loved him for it. Give it no no-one, Tory minority, nothing happens, still would have liked him. But giving my vote to those b*stards should be f*cking punishable by death. |
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Post by I, Farmer on May 13, 2010 1:15:13 GMT 10
Even if the Liberals had teamed up with Labour, they would have had a majority but still not enough seats to form a new government.
That's not counting the minor parties, though.
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Post by Sergeant Dull on May 13, 2010 2:07:08 GMT 10
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Post by Trinity on May 13, 2010 3:53:34 GMT 10
Problem with lab/lib/nationalists would be stability.
All I'm hearing about is LibDems compromising their policies for the Tories'. Sadface.
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Post by Sergeant Dull on May 13, 2010 4:05:54 GMT 10
Problem with lab/lib/nationalists would be stability. All I'm hearing about is LibDems compromising their policies for the Tories'. Sadface. What did you think would happen? |
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Post by Trinity on May 14, 2010 3:42:33 GMT 10
I thought that would happen. I'm sadfacing because I was right.  Typos, typos... |
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Post by I, Farmer on May 14, 2010 4:07:23 GMT 10
Great image/sig combo at Zae, there.
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Post by somebody probably on May 14, 2010 6:17:50 GMT 10
That was always going to happen, they're still the smaller party both by number of MPs and votes. On the other side of the coin, a disproportionately large number of Lib Dem MPs are getting ministerial positions (I mean you might think 5 of 18 cabinet positions isn't that many, but if you look at how many Tory MPs there are vs how many Lib Dem MPs there are, I'd say they've done quite well for themselves). Ultimately it's the extreme policies where the concessions have had to be made on both sides (okay so the Lib Dems don't get their mansion tax, but they're not raising the inheritance tax threshold either). By the looks of their agreement document they're also planning on totally overhauling parliament as per the Lib Dem's manifesto, although with some compromises such as a referendum on AV (strangely, a system that should benefit Labour) rather than STV are there, but on the whole it's still a big win for the Lib Dems. As well as that they're bringing in the cap on banker's bonuses (as per the Lib Dem manifesto). In their agreement document, there is also the surprisingly socialist (if we are to believe this government is full of extreme right-wing megalomaniac back-stabbers) policy of gradually increasing the basic 'personal allowance' threshold to £10,000 - that personal allowance being the amount of money a single person can earn without being taxed on it, for reference it is currently £6,475.
I could go on, but I just want to say that I utterly despair that people with such conviction of views, some people on here who I even hold respect for, seem to be capable of harbouring these views with only one other person even mentioning specific policies or the ministerial positions held by the respective parties since the announcement of the coalition. I'm not going to say I'm right or wrong; I accept that politics is a deeply intricate subject and that the current state of affairs has never happened before, or even that I could have outright misread the agreement. The whole thing could fall apart, the conservatives could just run rampant over the country with little regard for its citizens or the party they're working with, or the Lib Dems could even turn out to have more influence than they probably should do given the ratio of MPs and voters they got compared to the conservatives. Ultimately unless you have a crystal ball, nobody can possibly know.
With that said I will say that I am delighted at how liberal the agreement is (liberal, not as in 'Liberal Democrat', but just generally as opposed to authoritarian) in that they're scrapping the authoritarian policies that Labour had implemented including things like the ID card schemes, and the utter failure that was the 'home information pack' scheme. Silver lining and all that. People seem to not care about that particular axis of the political compass for whatever reason though so I suspect this paragraph will fall on deaf ears.
You can find the coalition agreement on the Conservative's or Lib Dem's website, if anyone can't get to it I'll gladly copy paste it in a post here.
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Post by CoolCorky on May 14, 2010 6:57:25 GMT 10
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Post by somebody probably on May 14, 2010 7:22:20 GMT 10
Ahahah I thought that actually.
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